tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post3247478719227058540..comments2023-11-03T00:46:46.649-07:00Comments on Electric City Weblog: I think this "Pilot" should crash.GeeGuyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13896054313394692210noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-62461289660538421632007-10-14T10:35:00.000-07:002007-10-14T10:35:00.000-07:00Anonymous...1:24 PM, October 13, 2007When a consti...Anonymous...1:24 PM, October 13, 2007<BR/><BR/>When a constituent calls Mary Jolley on an <I>alledged</I> "proposterous claim" then my question is:<BR/><BR/>Why did you, a constituent, post no documentation to prove Ms. Jolley wrong?<BR/><BR/>It seems you are the <I><A HREF="http://m-w.com/dictionary/preposterous" REL="nofollow">preposterous</A></I> one to not correct an error IF you have any fact(s) at hand. <BR/><BR/>No Offense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-9925710262763737522007-10-13T21:47:00.000-07:002007-10-13T21:47:00.000-07:00It's kinda fun to speculate just WHO these bozos a...It's kinda fun to speculate just WHO these bozos are that write this stuff. Oh sure, they're too cowardly to use their real names. SO, that just leaves a WHOLE LOT to the imagination. My guess is that they work for the city. (Lotten, donna, city council members? I dunno) Kinda pathetic really, when you think about it. The biggest issue to hit GF in a looong time is the coal plant, and these cowards are afraid to go on record with their real names! They don't DESERVE to part of the same democracy as the rest of us! Wonder if they fly those little American flags off both sides of their cars like my neighbor does? They'd be better off just flying a nice little YELLOW one!........or maybe white. SURRENDER MONKEYS! (check your Constitutionally guaranteed rights at the door when you enter primadonna's whore house! Sorry, but I can't do that, even WITH a bouncer named Chief Dorky!) But seriously, what do they have against vigorous debate? Why do they hate freedom?I don't get it.<BR/><BR/><BR/>LKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-56453795213202670442007-10-13T15:42:00.000-07:002007-10-13T15:42:00.000-07:00Geeguy, Holy Hal has a new friend that adores you...Geeguy, Holy Hal has a new friend that adores you......<BR/><BR/>bramble<BR/><BR/>Joined: 07 Apr 2007<BR/>Posts: 66<BR/> <BR/>PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: <BR/>I hope the Tribune continues to keep its reporters on this story. The Tribune is the only outlet that tries to cover this story fairly. The TV and radio stations are ignoring it, and there's a right wing -- I'm talking right of Mussolini -- blog out there that is ignoring the true facts and fabricating its own. This distortion is lapped up by community whack jobs, such as Redneck Hippie, aka Larry Krajl of Central Catholic, who don't want reporting that covers both sides of the story, such as the tribune is doing.<BR/><BR/>The blog I refer to is run by a local attorney who has ownership interest in local casinos. He believes the city's sign ordinance and other zoning policies hurt casinos, so he is trying to get even with Lawton by distorting the Highwood Power Plant facts.<BR/><BR/>Keep those reporters on this story!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-33655144230499442007-10-13T15:30:00.000-07:002007-10-13T15:30:00.000-07:00I asked for a citation. Veolia needs loans from th...I asked for a citation. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Veolia needs loans from the City about like Greg needs a loan from larry kiedrowski.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-37073473261810110522007-10-13T13:50:00.000-07:002007-10-13T13:50:00.000-07:00Oh, come on, Anonymous. That's a cheap shot. She ...Oh, come on, Anonymous. That's a cheap shot. She actually told you how to find the information, didn't she?GeeGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13896054313394692210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-21628798780796535802007-10-13T13:24:00.000-07:002007-10-13T13:24:00.000-07:00Candidate Jolley said,"Hey I got other things to d...Candidate Jolley said,"Hey I got other things to do today. so please do a little work yourself."<BR/><BR/>You brought up the subject.<BR/><BR/>Is this going to be your attitude if you get elected when a constituent calls you on an proposterous claim?<BR/><BR/>Almost sounds like another Dona.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-80125099334655178412007-10-13T12:04:00.000-07:002007-10-13T12:04:00.000-07:00Veolia Water DocumentationInformation comes from t...Veolia Water Documentation<BR/>Information comes from the City's Comprhensive Annual Financial Report, I think or it might aslo be in the latest budget report. <BR/>Go to the City Web Site, there is a little rectangular box on the left hand side of the home page type in Veolia Water and see what pops up. Oh, you have to click on search. <BR/>While you are at it Type in Repeal Ord.2861 and see what pops up. There will be one and only one document fround in that search. If you look up just about any other Ord. Or Res. There will be from 6 to as many as 10 hits. These will include Staff Reports, Work Sessions, Agenda Reports, a couple Public Hearings. Hey I got other things to do today. so please do a little work yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-18364254364885132102007-10-12T21:57:00.000-07:002007-10-12T21:57:00.000-07:00Perhaps "shining a VERY bright light on it" isn't ...Perhaps "shining a VERY bright light on it" isn't enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-27433901847869021192007-10-12T19:39:00.000-07:002007-10-12T19:39:00.000-07:00Everytime I get depressed about the obvious abuse ...Everytime I get depressed about the obvious abuse of authority and lack of the law applying to my local government, I come here and find that others are just as.... interesting. <BR/><BR/>Thank You, Geeguy, for keeping up the fight. Maybe, just maybe, we can do something to stop this kind of abuse by shining a VERY bright light on it.<BR/><BR/>MoorcatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-57212525191748183582007-10-12T13:47:00.000-07:002007-10-12T13:47:00.000-07:00Mary Jolley said:"And another thing,Veolia Water a...Mary Jolley said:<BR/><BR/>"And another thing,<BR/>Veolia Water a Private Company and another customer of ECP got a $100,000 loan from the city."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Documentation please, otherwise its just hearsay and bad gossip.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-16824263994739789412007-10-12T13:22:00.000-07:002007-10-12T13:22:00.000-07:00By God can you people not leave these brave vision...By God can you people not leave these brave visionary leaders alone? Look at the gigantic risk they are taking for us all by being the guinea pigs. <BR/><BR/>For crying out loud, this is electricity here. They are risking a possible blackout during weekend football games or facing no hot coffee in the morning. My God, the humanity, these folks are leading from the front! <BR/><BR/>They would never do anything to risk our well being without trying it out first. A small price to pay for brave leaders.<BR/><BR/>Thank you Johnny Kilowatt Lawton for all you have done for the city.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-65445074963948452182007-10-12T12:56:00.000-07:002007-10-12T12:56:00.000-07:00Just for the record, wolfpup, I called no one "cri...Just for the record, wolfpup, I called no one "criminal" in this thread. In fact, I rarely use the word criminal. I prefer corrupt. And yes, I do indeed believe that corruption is rampant not only in city offices, but also in the p.d. You must have me confused with another poster.<BR/><BR/>LKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-59040353878037396752007-10-12T12:35:00.000-07:002007-10-12T12:35:00.000-07:00One of the customers First Interstate Bank - won b...One of the customers First Interstate Bank - won business a No Bid General Obligation Bond deal. Way higher interest rate than the pool bond.<BR/><BR/>And the staff did not ask for the additional $500,000 thousand mentioned they <BR/>just spent it?<BR/><BR/>From Commission meeting minutes:<BR/>On October 18, 2005, the City Commission authorized staff to negotiate and award the sale of bonds. Staff negotiated with First Interstate Bank and awarded the sale based on a twenty year term, and a rate of 6.79 percent for 5 years. The rate thereafter would be based on the spread between this rate and the five year constant maturity rate determined at the time of closing. This sale was based on interest only payments for the first two years, and a balloon payment at year five. There was a penalty for early redemption. It was anticipated that an additional financing request would occur in FY 2007 for the remaining $500,000 for a total of $2 million in interim financing.<BR/>PS<BR/>This was a "private negotiated sale", I think it is against State Law. We have a Charter form of Government and must follow state law dealing with Finance. The bidding process was overlooked. I hope the new city manager reads the law.<BR/>Pss<BR/>Dear Lawyers forgive me for offering a layman's observation.<BR/><BR/>And another thing,<BR/>Veolia Water a Private Company and another customer of ECP got a $100,000 loan from the city. I don't know why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-90829783170195570432007-10-12T12:29:00.000-07:002007-10-12T12:29:00.000-07:00Anonymous posted the following:Someone explain to ...Anonymous posted the following:<BR/><BR/><I>Someone explain to me what part of the city code of ethics a specific dollar amount come into play.</I><BR/><BR/>I deleted the second portion. Let's keep it PG, especially with the involvement of the CMR Debate Team.GeeGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13896054313394692210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-54384813441651338492007-10-12T12:19:00.000-07:002007-10-12T12:19:00.000-07:00Who owns Lunber Yard Supply?Who owns Lunber Yard Supply?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-87194686746674506612007-10-12T12:18:00.000-07:002007-10-12T12:18:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-6789450989238969842007-10-12T11:57:00.000-07:002007-10-12T11:57:00.000-07:00I'll be curious if the idiots at the Tribune pick ...I'll be curious if the idiots at the Tribune pick this story up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-15866641490947275932007-10-12T11:42:00.000-07:002007-10-12T11:42:00.000-07:00Wolfpack, to be honest, I am not sure what to thin...Wolfpack, to be honest, I am not sure <I>what</I> to think.<BR/><BR/>You make the point that it is not a great deal of money. Fair enough. Tell that to a little old lady on a fixed income who pays full rate for her power <I>and</I> pays city taxes.<BR/><BR/>Another point, too, is that we don't really know if it is just a few bucks. Sure, it's a few bucks if you take the raw cost of the power and the raw sales price to the "Pilot Program." But this venture is losing significant money. If you somehow matched <I>all</I> the expenses with the power sold, we might find that these people are saving significant sums over what it is costing the taxpayers.<BR/><BR/>And, finally, I think my real point is this: they don't own it. See, this all started with my requesting documents regarding the city's "new customers." What is overlooked in all of this (at least for now) is that they are refusing to provide this information to the public.<BR/><BR/>Sure, they go to the Tribune and say whatever the heck they want. But when we ask for the supporting documents they tell us we can't see them. <BR/><BR/><I>They don't own it.</I><BR/><BR/>Then we find out their selling our power to themselves and a few of their best friends at below cost?<BR/><BR/>I'm trying not to get all breathless about this deal, but it just seems wrong to me.GeeGuyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13896054313394692210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-68192979569562841432007-10-12T11:26:00.000-07:002007-10-12T11:26:00.000-07:00I think it's half-assed AND corrupt. They don't e...I think it's half-assed AND corrupt. They don't even cheat competently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-73275735824040062142007-10-12T11:25:00.000-07:002007-10-12T11:25:00.000-07:00Wolfpack... Neither Inept or Corrupt are qualities...Wolfpack... Neither Inept or Corrupt are qualities I look for in an elected official.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-80385143061354136332007-10-12T11:01:00.000-07:002007-10-12T11:01:00.000-07:00Geeguy- I was just trying to make the point that n...Geeguy- I was just trying to make the point that nobody is exactly enriching themselves here. The claims of corruption by posters are just silly. Ineptness and corruption are two different charges. As with other things done under the current manager a reasonable action is done in an unnecessary manner that raises questions. The way some posters are reflexively calling every city action criminal is a bit nutty (sorry LK). I assumed the point of your post was that this is another example of half-assness not that you had proof of city officials lining their pockets as many have interpreted it.WolfPackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16009306270609164133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-86343552481946334962007-10-12T10:15:00.000-07:002007-10-12T10:15:00.000-07:00I plan on cheating the city out of $90 dollars thi...I plan on cheating the city out of $90 dollars this year because its not a big deal. It will be my own little pilot plan.<BR/><BR/>Lets see now how will I exact this fee? Ideas people? $90 in parking tickets in the trash? How about it oh great legal mind wolfpack?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-50157111412583803122007-10-12T09:59:00.000-07:002007-10-12T09:59:00.000-07:00Wolfpack, I guess you keep your shoplifting under...Wolfpack, I guess you keep your shoplifting under $90 per year because it is below your threshold of corruption and crimes? Like being only a little pregnant vs. 9 months. It is not the amount - it is the intent!<BR/><BR/>I have followed your posts for sometime and viewed you as intelligent and a voice of reason and balance - IN THE PAST. You have zero credibility from this point forward.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-28050643917328092612007-10-12T09:53:00.000-07:002007-10-12T09:53:00.000-07:00Wolfpack, pull your head out of your ass. Who care...Wolfpack, pull your head out of your ass. Who cares if its "de minimus" or not, its wrong. The City is lying, telling lies to cover other lies, and treating this stuff like its their money, and their own deal. This is an outrage. Wake up and smell the corruption. The stench is nauseating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11068216.post-54673379033492206862007-10-12T09:42:00.000-07:002007-10-12T09:42:00.000-07:00It's about time these corupt SOB's are taken down!...It's about time these corupt SOB's are taken down!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com